RC23 - Sub menu offset problems on MAC

Poster: henrik __at__ itide.dk
Dated: Wednesday November 12 2003 - 15:14:49 GMT

Hi

I have written about this problem before after the release of RC18. In RC23 I still have big problems about submenu offset on MAC IE OSX and OS9.

The problems are biggest in OSX. Take a look on the site

http://www.recommended.dk/default.asp?id=4

If I set the left property to -135 I can get it to work, but then other browsers gets

I have a deadline this week so if it could be fixed I would very

Thanks

Henrik

Poster: Maz
Dated: Wednesday November 12 2003 - 16:51:54 GMT

I took a look and see only a 1 or 2px space between the menu and submenu on Mac ie5.1.7 usually I see more problems than most on the old browser. Thats like a borders worth of space, is that what you are seeing?

Warm Regards
maz

Poster: henrik __at__ itide.dk
Dated: Wednesday November 12 2003 - 19:24:39 GMT

Hi Maz

I do not have problems with the submenus position up-down but right-left. In OS9 the submenus are moved about 30 px to the right and in OSX the submenus are moved 135 px to the right.

In Safari and Win browsers the menu workes fine.

Thanks for your reply.

Henrik

Not compatible with IE MAC for MacOS 9 or OSX.

Poster: Miriam
Dated: Thursday November 13 2003 - 16:23:16 GMT

Henrik, I have encountered exactly the same problem. Besides that, some of the submenus every time appear in a different place, sometime too much to the left, sometimes too much to the right. But I wonder why the menu at the Milonic-website is working OK when I visit it with my IE MAC? Has it something to do with the way I position the main menu? I’ve tried:

screenposition="top;center"
top="offset=87";
left="offset=135";

and I also tried to use

position="relative"; (placed as a javascript inside a tablecell)

But both settings gave the same problems. Has it something to do with the fact that I use a centered page? Please, who can help…

I'm afraid I have to restore the old version of the website tonight but I will leave one page 'Milonicized', just for those who want to check it out:

http://www.emday.nl/cursus/route/index.html

Met vriendelijke groeten,

Miriam

Poster: kevin3442
Dated: Thursday November 13 2003 - 17:56:05 GMT

Hi Miriam,

"Milonicized" I like that!

Two comments:

(1) The url to the Milonicized page doesn't work for me, at least right now. Can't see any obvious typos in your url, so thought I'd let you know.

(2) One of the positioning approaches you mentioned could be simplified a little.

could become

Who knows... maybe that'll make a difference?

Kevin

Poster: John
Dated: Thursday November 13 2003 - 19:06:41 GMT

I can't get to that page, either - 404.

Poster: Miriam
Dated: Thursday November 13 2003 - 19:22:20 GMT

Heck, never trust your fingers when you can cut & paste I found it difficult to pick a page and changed my mind while typing... The correct URL is

http://www.emday.nl/cursus/cursus_aam.html

(Now I used copy & paste and I checked the link twice!)

Groeten, Miriam

Poster: Miriam
Dated: Thursday November 13 2003 - 19:42:06 GMT



One of the very first laserprinters came from KISS. I'm told it was an acronym for Keep It Simple Stupid. I didn't keep it simple and it seems that I'm the stupid today. Of course I haven't checked it with every IE mac browser but it works with the two versions I have here at home. Thank you Kevin!

BTW. I came accross this menu two day's ago and I was surprised by the flexibility of it. It took me only a couple of hours to implement it in our website. Great software!

Groeten, Miriam

Poster: Maz
Dated: Thursday November 13 2003 - 21:44:42 GMT

Hi,

I'm not sure about this, but maybe someone will spot it.

<script language=JavaScript src="../sys_files/milonic_src.js" type=text/javascript></script>
<script language=JavaScript>
if(ns4)_d.write("<scr"+"ipt language=JavaScript src=http:\/\/www.mensdata.nl\/sys_files\/mmenuns4.js><\/scr"+"ipt>");
else _d.write("<scr"+"ipt language=JavaScript src=http:\/\/www.mensdata.nl\/sys_files\/mmenudom.js><\/scr"+"ipt>");
</script>
<script language="JavaScript" src="../sys_files/menu_data.js" name="Menudata">
</script>

The sys-files looks strange to me /sys_files/mmenuns4.js
Usually you don't need ../ just / will work.

But I think what you might have is connecting a java onclick within a div and table that is throwing off your submenu, but I don't see it happening except for SinterKlaas, well he might be a menu link too so I mention it.

I'm just pointing these things out and someone may be able to point you in the right direction.

Warm regards
maz

Still a problem i RC24

Poster: henrik __at__ itide.dk
Dated: Friday November 14 2003 - 15:54:37 GMT

Hi All

I will try to illustrate my problems on the site

http://www.recommended.com/?Id=58

Problem with the mainmenu at MAC OSX IE5.2.

It should look like this



But look like this


Problem with popup at MAC OSX IE5.2

It should look like this



But look like this


I have also problems in MAC IE for OS9 but not as much.

Hope somebody can help

Thanks

Henrik

Poster: Maz
Dated: Friday November 14 2003 - 17:12:52 GMT

Hi,

I've been playing around with your div style to see if I can get it to work on my main menu on the -www- link below, I need a bottom border but the arrow is a problem and I don't know how to make the onstyle which is currently a background image.

However, I'm wondering if the div is doing something, some browsers have css bugs, maybe see if there is a css bug for that browser that could explain it, I usually put a margin 0 on everything just to prevent browser bugs, might be worth a try.

The only other thing you might want to do is put a / before the path on script but I doubt that's it.

Warm regards,
maz

Poster: bobwill
Dated: Friday November 14 2003 - 17:17:22 GMT

Why don't you try RC 24, just released. I several problems with RC 23 and some things cleared up.

Poster: Maz
Dated: Friday November 14 2003 - 18:46:07 GMT

I have 24 but if anyone can help me get an on and off border-bottom with everything working on my main menu, I'd like to know how.

Regards
maz

Poster: John
Dated: Friday November 14 2003 - 19:57:47 GMT

OS X, IE5.2.3, Safari1.0(v85)...

In IE the Select Language popup is coming up where it's supposed to (according to your post), not to the right as you showed. The subs are popping to the right of the main menu items, as you show.

In Safari the Select Language popup is also in the proper place. The subs, however, are coming up to the left of the main items.

My concern is the <div> you have on all the the AI items. Why? There have been some issues previously with <div> and the menu. Not sure where they stand right now.

Also, why not use on of the class-type parameters to get all those repeated style definitions out of there? See the Quick Reference guides on the main site for details.

Poster: henrik __at__ itide.dk
Dated: Friday November 14 2003 - 20:47:41 GMT

I have tried to use only the cssclass property, but it didn't help. The problem was still there I even got some style problems with MAC IE 5.2.3. So back to DIV tags! I even tried another menu but it had the same problem.

It is a bit odd that we don't see the same with the same browsers. I have not seen any problems in Safari or other browsers than Mac IE.

I like this menu very much and I hope I can get it to work in MAC IE. We try to use it together with a CMS system, where we build the menuscripts with asp-script.

Thanks a lot for your help

Henrik

Poster: Maz
Dated: Friday November 14 2003 - 21:02:26 GMT

Mac IE is like heaven and hell in a basket, definately check for css bugs and try the margin 0 within the div.

-maz

Poster: Maz
Dated: Friday November 14 2003 - 21:11:37 GMT

Should I take my own advice? Well I tried putting a margin 0 on the main menu and it threw out the submenus.

I think that's it. Unless it works in reverse on the submenus.

maz

Poster: John
Dated: Friday November 14 2003 - 23:43:53 GMT


Keep in mind that, while I guess it will be hanging around for a while, M$ has announced there will be no further development or releases of IE/Mac. It's a dead product. Safari will be the browser of choice for OS X, and development will definitely continue there (OS X 10.2.8 has Safari 1.0 - OS X 10.3 already has Safari 1.1.1).

Poster: henrik __at__ itide.dk
Dated: Saturday November 15 2003 - 7:35:14 GMT

Hi John

I have decided to make a workaround, and make the menu static with menuscript files to

MAC IE 5.1 OS9
MAC IE 5.2 OSX
The rest

with different position attributes !

Thanks for a very good menu and quick reponse in this forum

Henrik

Poster: John
Dated: Saturday November 15 2003 - 16:13:31 GMT


Thanks for the kind words. They are appreciated.

Fixed problem

Poster: henrik __at__ itide.dk
Dated: Tuesday November 18 2003 - 12:39:36 GMT

Hi John

I have fixed the problem by following the example

http://www.milonic.co.uk/menusample.php?sampleid=9

On MAC IE it is important that the submenus are called before the mainmenu. So two drawMenus() calls.

See the result at

http://www.recommended.com/?Id=58

The only problem I have left is the pointer in Safari. It is an arrow and not a hand. Do you know the answer to that ?

Henrik

Re: Fixed problem

Poster: John
Dated: Tuesday November 18 2003 - 14:01:12 GMT


Interesting. I don't think we've seen that before. Glad you got it fixed!

I firmly believe it's a Safari problem, because I see the same behavior on sites that have nothing to do with the Milonic menu. The Safari cursor can be anything it wants to be (mine is usually an I-beam over links), and sometimes even changes its mind when mousing back and forth over the same link. I should be moving to Safari 1.1.1 soon. Hopefully it's fixed there.